May 28, 2009

Bing SEO! Do I have to optimize for Bing now?

(EDIT: This series is updated here: Part 2: some answers, Google vs Bing SEO which was written after Bings launch)

Relax, it's not even out yet and don't touch your code in public. I'm full of questions that will soon be discussed and answered within the SEO community, I do predict a shakeup of sorts however.

Bing will be much more strict than Google, hardly operating based on linkbacks and on-site SEO at all, but rather research and only ranking authoritive sites, or passing linkjuice only from authoritive sites and their pages. This is something the Google Monster will not do and in a sense is why I believe Bing is set for failure. If my batsenses are working right, bloggers particularly are not going to do well on Bing results.

These are some Bing concerns and questions when thinking about how the community will be effected by Bing in terms of SEO, especially bloggers.

Bing can sort by location

So am I going to see more search traffic (from Bing! OMG yay!) if I type 'new york' into some of my blog posts because that's where I am and where my internet footprints come from?

Bing can sort in favor of jobs

So will having the JobThread advertisement widget provoke more Bing visits? Or is this just open to Monster.com Careerbuilder.com Hotjobs and a couple other ones?

Product reviews, health keywords, travel decisions Oh my!

Is Bing going to send more (search?) traffic to my blog if I sell something in the sidebar with great product reviews? Or is this strictly voted on by users.. kinda like Digg??

Does Bing respond to nofollow? What about PageRank, what's my BingRank?

LoL, relax. I'm going to assume they implement nofollow and even stricter ranking rules then the Google Monster.

Are you excited?

I'm thrilled. Ask.com actually tried this and failed back in 2007 - here's a blog post from back then about it on SearchEngineLand.com* Turns out that it has almost the same features as Bing and what's eerie is they put out a similiar promotional video, like the one you can see now on Bing.com - there was also some babble about it competing with Google at the time.. deja vu?

Bing was originally named Kumo apparently, it was internally tested among Microsoft employees recently according to SearchEngineLand, you can read the memo sent to the employees via the link.

I pulled this little tidbit of hard earned and spent Microsoft research dollars out of the article for you, my readers attention:

"In spite of the progress made by search engines, 40% of queries go unanswered; half of queries are about searchers returning to previous tasks; and 46% of search sessions are longer than 20 minutes." -SearchEngineLand

Interesting. So let's see if Microsoft can do anything about that. I'll be watching, so will the black hats - I don't think Microsoft knows what it just got itself into.
 

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  1. Code, thank you for this update. I never know such search would have existed. Hope this one can last for a while though :)

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  2. If Microsoft can create a search engine that spits out results as accuratly as Google did when it first came out and as it still does of course... then I'll have a new respect for MS. Until then I remain HIGHLY skeptical!

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  3. I'm sceptical too. Yo me Bing sounds like a perfect playground for spammers and blackhats but maybe I'm just cynical. ;)

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  4. Sounds cool, gives so added weight where its needed, maybe, we'll see

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  5. Thank you for the post Codesucker!

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  6. I think if you can find a way to game this particular search engine pretty easily I would definitely jump up and optimize...just comparing apples to apples SERPs and it is similar but on some niche searches I see a lot of duplicate rankings.

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  8. Its got me confused a bit.

    Some blog entries way down in the serps and others ranking near the top.

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    Its going to be a challenge working out how to 'play' with Bing!

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  9. What's exactly the Xrank by bing please? thanks

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  10. Ugh.... I blogged on this topic:

    http://blog.foremastjacks.com/index.php/2009/05/bing-has-seo-community-theorizing-ad-nauseam/

    I cannot wait until this SEO craze blows over.

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  11. AnonymousJune 09, 2009

    http://www.reviews2.com

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  12. Look at me, optimizing on google (with my name and link) while making a useful comment. So far bing looks and seems cool, but its results arent that great. Oh well. Boston Apparel! Yeah!

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  13. Boston is right! Bing Bing! WTF!

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  14. AnonymousJune 12, 2009

    blimey, no likey bing.
    working on seo (& more) for a high profile site with one primary & several secondary competitor... lots of white hat work has made google position more stable - but bing's listings are frankly awful. It doesn't help that there are duplicate listing, multiple listings (9 in one case) from the same domain, which in that case pushes my site to no 10.
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  17. HMMMM????

    Ill try to keep this CLEAR ..... and OBVIOUS..

    Search engines goal is to produce the most relivant results... If a searcher does not get results it is looking for they will be going to another search engine......

    NOTE TO BING..... Get it together and I'll be back....

    Till then I think it is best to go with what we know, and where most all will go for results.... the BIG G

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  18. Well done, Right now Bing is third largest search engine and also having some good feature.So as an SEO its to best time to optimize for Bing now to get best result in future.And thanks for providing some interesting information.

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  19. Bing has to overcome Google? Not likely, especially with the strict funnel they are trying to produce.

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  20. It is very cherfull development for web planet. but there are huge amount of gap between bing and google. Microsoft must work harder than usually

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  21. Bing has more sophisticated image search system. it gets very accurate results. Moreover it is user friendly

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  22. I have looked at the top results for many terms on both google and MSN "BING" aqnd do nto see that they are delevering even CLOSE to the same results. In fact deliver duplicate listing more offten than not.

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  23. Many webmasters said that their sites have a good position in yahoo and google but were deleted from Bing. There is something with Bing that isn`t working well.

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  24. Great article, still I think is better to SEO for Google then Bing, because more people use Google.

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  25. I've really started to enjoy using bing, and think it will be a great search engine. can i just add one thing is that to get the right description on the SERP when it comes up you need to put a meta tag, other wise it comes from DMOZ. see here http://www.impactmedialtd.co.uk/blog/search-engine-optimisation-seo/seo-resources/bing-using-dmoz-description/.

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  26. But how do we KNOW what SEO guidelines it uses.... That's what we really need to know as webmasters!

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  27. The biggest challenge for Bing is how is it going to take bloggers and content websites. If their algo operates quite differently than that of Google, then certainly it is going to create a panic among bloggers for they not be sure if they would be getting any traffic from it or not. So for me Google is the best search engine always. There is no chance of Google failing in competition with other search engines.

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  28. With any marketing tool, you need to FULLY understand the GOAL of the product or source.. Bing does not claim to be a SEARCH ENGINE.... It claims to be an INFORMATION ENGINE...

    Keeoing this in mind, yoru cleints websites shoudl not be SELF PROMOTING but rather a source for information...... that being said, CONTENT AND LINKS are work well for me ;)

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  29. There are many issues with Bing. It takes long time to index the site. To my surprise, even 3 months old Blog sites with more than 20 contents is not being indexed.
    I got lots of queries related to site not being indexed in bing. I think Bing needs to update its algo.

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  30. Great article.. I think SEO for Google and Yahoo is better, compared to Bing.

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  31. Bing is a poor imitation of Google.Imho uses the outdated and primitive algorithm and secret random variable

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  32. Certainly impressed with the Bing look. Quite nice to move away from Google's minimalism sometimes.

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  33. I have a small site which does really well with google and yahoo! (soon be powered by bing). I can get #1 spot on searches for words like "sarmouni" or "Idries Shah's successor" and yet hardly get a look in at bing. Looks like they're after authoritative backlinks, and these are difficult for small sites to acquire.

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  42. Bing very like reputation, but he is Search engine in development. Maybe because algorithm optimization and fine tuning some of website will be vanished.

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  43. Bing in time will dominate i reckon, just needs time. Google taking the mick recently

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  47. Bing and Yahoo look to find links quicker but index / rank slower. Starting to anoy me :(

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  58. I also don't know how to optimize for Bing. I'm still on research for that. Also, I'm more concerned about submitting sitemap to Bing. I've already mastered doing so in Goggle and Yahoo. It's good that my cousin already tried this trick for search engine optimization, via Bing of course. He'll teach me how to do it next week before planning a website. It's also notable that for architect website designers to succeed, web designs must be done, in line with search engine optimization guidelines, thereby getting more organic traffic.

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  65. Even with first positions for multiple keywords, I have not seen that much traffic come from Bing. I'm wondering whether it's actually worth the hassle since everybody just goes directly to Google anyway.

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  74. Bing has to overcome Google? Not likely, especially with the strict funnel they are trying to produce.

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